Going to a church with problems

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Over the last several years there has been much discussion about people leaving the church and speculation about why.

I’ve seen a number of blog posts and articles the last couple of years written to people who have left church completely because they’ve been hurt by one. The articles are usually quite sympathetic in tone, and the writer (who doesn’t know the person or the church or the situation) apologizes to the wounded absent church member on behalf of the church and gently tries to woo them back. I do appreciate those posts, and we do need to reach out. Sometimes these folks are in a fragile state and need much love and care to rebuild bridges and repair damage wrought by a previous church.

And there are times that leaving a particular church is necessary. Churches can hurt their members in numerous ways, sometimes seriously. Sometimes even when members try to discuss issues with leadership, they’re not heard, or worse, vilified for not being with the program.

But I don’t see anywhere in the Bible a good reason to leave church all together.

No church is perfect. None ever will be because they’re made up of sinners. Redeemed sinners, yes, but, people who are not perfect yet. That’s why there is so much instruction in the epistles about the need for forgiveness, unity, forbearance, love. Just as our personal sanctification is a matter of growth in grace, so is the church’s.

If you’re familiar with Acts and the epistles in the Bible, you may be aware of these issues that were problems in some New Testament churches:

Open factions preferring different preachers.

False teachers insisting that believers had to keep portions of the OT law to be saved.

A member living in incest with a family member which other church members knew of but did nothing about.

Teachers proclaiming to have a deeper, mysterious knowledge of Christ that differed from Biblical revelation.

A segment complaining that their needs weren’t being met.

People conspiring to lie to the leadership.

People showing favoritism to wealthy members.

People who quit their jobs to sit and wait for the Lord’s return.

In fact, most of the epistles were written to correct false doctrine, teaching, and practices within the church.

But nowhere in the epistles, the letters to the early churches, do any of the writers urge believers to just quit church over the problems. Now, some of these and other issues would be grounds to leave a particular church if, after attempting to deal with them, there was no change. We’re instructed in the NT to separate from those who preach false doctrine and believers who “walk disorderly,” who live habitually in ways that go against what the Bible teaches after every attempt has been made to reconcile them to God’s Word. We’ve been on the verge of leaving a couple of churches that didn’t have these problems but were headed in ways that we felt were contrary to Biblical teaching and example, but thankfully a job change took care of that for us.

But nowhere in the Bible are believers encouraged to just give up on organized church all together. I bring up that incomplete list of NT church problems just to contrast it with some of the lesser reasons people leave church these days. Yes, the church has problems: it always has and it always will, and we shouldn’t take them lightly.

But – and I am trying to say this as gently and kindly as I can – sometimes, sometimes, I wonder if the problem is unforgiveness or carrying a grudge (which is a type of unforgiveness). Even when there is just cause for leaving a church, is there a just cause Scripturally for leaving church all together? Could one perhaps be short-circuiting their healing or stifling their spiritual growth (or that of their children) because they are not in a church with fellow believers?

One might say that, since every believer is part of the universal church made up of all believers, and since Jesus said, “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them,” (Matthew 18:20), then it doesn’t really matter if we go to an “official” church. Any time we meet with other Christians is church! But is that what the Bible teaches? I would say that meeting with a couple of other Christians at a coffee shop (or wherever) is fellowship: I wouldn’t call it church. I say that for these reasons:

  • The epistles were written to believers who met together locally and regularly. They and Acts refer to churches which met at specific places: “the church of God which is at Corinth” (1 Corinthians 1:2), “the church which was in Jerusalem” (Acts 11:22), “the church that was at Antioch” (Acts 13:1), “And so were the churches [plural] established in the faith, and increased in number daily” (Acts 16:5), “the church which is at Cenchrea” (Romans 16:1), “the church that is in their house” (Romans 16:5), and several more.
  • There is a leadership structure in local churches that is absent in casual get-togethers: “they had ordained them elders in every church,” (Acts 14:23); “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you” (Hebrews 13:17).
  • There is an accountability structure within the church body. Jesus discussed how to respond when a fellow believer sins against us in Matthew 18:15-17, ultimately, if everything else failed, ending up in church discipline.
  • God gave gifts of leadership, teaching, and shepherding to the church: “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:11-12). John Crotts says in Loving the Church, “Don’t you need shepherds to guide you? Jesus thinks you need them! It is terrible pride to assume that you don’t need what Jesus designed for his glory and your family’s good” (p. 95). Yes, we can hear and read good sermons on the Internet. I do that when I can’t be in church, and they’re great for those who can’t go to church due to age or physical reasons. But it’s not the same as having a pastor who knows you and is praying for you.

Earlier in Crotts’ book, he says that though there are many verses referring to the church universal, “Other verses, however, clearly use the term ekklesia to refer to a smaller assembly of Christian in one location…Throughout the New Testament, the term ekklesia refers to local churches in the overwhelming majority of cases. A local assembly…is not just some tiny part of the universal church, like the pinkie toenail in the universal body of Christ. It is better understood as a local expression of the body of Christ – complete in itself” (pp. 44-45).

Crotts goes on to say in another place, “If you think of your homeschool group, businessmen’s Bible study, or campus ministry as ‘your church,’ your slice of the Christian pie is far too small” (p. 122). “According to some pastors, every Christian needs a Paul, a Barnabas, and a Timothy. Paul represents as older, wiser believer to mentor you…A Barnabas would be a believer around your own age to encourage you as you experience similar life circumstances. Timothy represents a younger believer looking to you for a godly example and counsel as he or she goes through tests you have already experienced” (pp. 122-123).

Some years ago someone sent me this quote about Jesus attending the worship services of His day:

If ever there was one who might justly plead that the common worship of the community had nothing to offer him it was the Lord Jesus Christ. But every Sabbath found him seated in his place among the worshipping people, and there was no act of stated worship which he felt himself entitled to discard…

We cannot afford to be wiser than our Lord in this matter. If any one could have pled that his spiritual experience was so lofty that it did no require public worship, if any one might have felt that the consecration and communion of is personal life exempted him from what ordinary mortals needed, it was Jesus. But he made no such plea. Sabbath after Sabbath even he was found in the place of worship, side by side with God’s people, not for the mere sake of setting a good example, but for deeper reasons. Is it reasonable, then, that any of us should think we can safely afford to dispense with the pious custom of regular participation with the common worship of our locality?

~ B.B. Warfield, Selected Shorter Writings (The full quote can be found here.)

If ever the assembly of professing believers had serious problems, it was then. But the Son of God did not absent Himself from gathering with them. And even though He took steps to correct some of the issues, it wasn’t perfected when He went back to heaven. But He did make provision for its ultimate perfection, the only way it can be fully healed: by dying on the cross for all of its individual members, who can be saved and cleansed and made whole when they repent and believe on Him.

He has not forsaken His church, and neither should we. “Let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25, NASB). Notice in those verses how it’s not just a matter of not forsaking church: it’s also a matter of love, good deeds and encouragement. We need only need the church: the church needs us. By being and doing what God wants us to, being filled with His Spirit, and exercising the gifts He gave us, we can be part of the solution.

 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. Ephesians 4:11-13.

See also:
Why go to church?
The Community of Believers

Lisa’s 7 reasons why I still go to church

(Sharing with Inspire Me Monday, Wise WomanWoman to Woman Word-Filled Wednesdays and Works For Me Wednesdays)

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9 thoughts on “Going to a church with problems

  1. I have seen this often – people who are offended or disagree with their church’s doctrine or actions and stop going decide to not attend church at all. If I were greatly offended by something or someone in the church, I would try very hard to work it out before considering leaving. The only reason I would leave a church would be if I saw that church’s direction going toward the “emergent church” philosophy. Denial of the basic tenets of our faith would be a big red flag for me. I believe that if a church is no longer a good fit for you, you will know it and God will make that plain.

  2. I hear you on this subject but may offer this point… The church today has become “big business”. I want to find a church that is similar to the first century church. One that doesn’t have a huge mortgage and utility bill. One that takes care of the orphans and widows. One that lifts each other up and encourages them on the path of righteousness. One that lovingly reprimands when and where needed. In my heart I want this church to exist. But I’m afraid that in today’s world it does not. So I try to live out what I am looking for. No I do not attend a “building” anymore but I do enter His presence with praise and thanksgiving. I hope you won’t think less of me and my husband for not being part of Corporate Christianity any longer. We just could not take it any more. Blessings to you and I continue to pray for God’s people and our future on this planet. For those lost that He might send someone into their path that will share the Good News! 🙂 Hugs my friend and I so enjoy your thoughts!

    • I so appreciate your responding so graciously in an area of disagreement. 🙂 I think it was inevitable that after 2,000 years and over several countries, the way people do church has evolved. I think most churches try to break down the bigness by ministering to people in smaller groups. But, yes, I do hear you – too often it just becomes a matter of going through the motions or acquiring bigger and better facilities. I have heard of some people trying to go back to the house church idea of Acts. I think this is an area where we have the example there but we’re not instructed to do just what they did – we have the freedom to adapt to our times and culture. But the smaller group setting, really getting to know and minister to the assembly, appeals to many people. I’d love to find a book on church history that addresses how it all worked then.

  3. We, who might be hurt, too often forget that we ARE the church. If your church isn’t reaching out, we have to do something. If your church isn’t caring for others, we have to do something. Leaving would have to be because of doctrinal disagreements, and in that case you should go find a church that matches your belief and serious study. Too often I see people leave the church because they claim hurt, but by their actions, it would appear they actually left so they could do as they wanted with no one to hold them accountable. I’ve seen major lifestyle changes after being “hurt”. If it was just a matter of leaving the people who had hurt you, you would think the belief in God and the philosophy of serving Him would remain. I work with youth, and this is a deep burden on my heart. I appreciated your post and I appreciated reading others’ comments as well.

  4. Such a multi layered issue and good for you for taking it on in such a graceful way, Barbara. Years ago we struggled about leaving the church we were saved in, baptized in, married in, had our kids dedicated in and were deeply involved in. We’d been attending about 15 years. But changes in leadership took the church in directions that my hubby was really struggling to support and get fully behind. After two years of me digging in my heals and him coming to the point of not even wanting to attend and our kids being witness to the struggle, even though we did our best to not “discuss” in front of them, I relented and we left. To say the tension in the house lifted is a huge understatement. We were honest with the leadership and they tried to get us to stay. All that to say that it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life, but I knew it was best for us as a family. I believe we as individual Christians need to find our places in the body of Christ and be able to support the vision of the particular church we are attending so that we can be involved and function as the body of Christ. And I know that is only one aspect of the whole thing. One thing I did learn from all of that is to not be afraid to reach out to those who are struggling with leaving or have left for whatever reason because they need to know they were still appreciated. Avoiding them, shunning them or making them feel they are totally in the wrong just makes the hurt deeper. Appreciate this post!

    • I mentioned we almost left a couple of churches, and with one, looking back, we really should have left a couple of years before. We didn’t want to uproot our kids, but staying ended up hurting one in particular very deeply. It was so hard to leave the churches that we’ve had to just for job changes – I can imagine leaving over a problem in the church is one of the hardest things anyone can do. That’s one reason I was glad that job changes came up when they did for us. It’s a difficult situation all the way around.

  5. Barbara, this is the best thing I have ever read on this topic. Well said and graciously said.

    I so appreciated this quote: “It is terrible pride to assume that you don’t need what Jesus designed for his glory and your family’s good”. I never really thought about this issue from just that angle before.

    I was saddened to read in one of the comments that some churches have become so big and so “corporate” that they no longer care for one another’s needs and are “big business”. It just isn’t that way in the churches I’m familiar with. Admittedly, they are small, but I believe they are functioning as God intended.

    Thank you for sharing your heart on this matter. It was a real encouragement to me.

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